Oswegatchie Fire Station Building Committee - Minutes - 12/17/2024

FIFTEEN
ROPE
FERRY
ROAD.
WATERFORD, CT
06385-2886
B.
Tuneski
stated
MEP
will
be
discussed
tonight
and
there
is
a
need
to
review
the
drawings
for
electrical
outlet
location.
There
was
dialog
on
the
use
of
the
kitchen;
commercial
or
more
T.
Olynciw
referred
to
B.
Tuneski’s
RTM
Summary
information,
specifically
#9.
He
asked
asked
what
ROM
was.
B.
Tuneski
explained
it
stood
for
Rough
Order
Magnitude.
T.
Olynciw
introduced
the
newly
appointed
member
for
the
committee,
Guy
Russo.
representative
of
the
Town.
B.
Tuneski
indicated
S.
Dubicki
has
spoken
with
SPA
as
the
Fire
Marshal
and
will
be
meeting
with
SPS
as
the
Interim
Fire
Director
on
Thursday.
B.
Tuneski

stated that S. Dubicki is “wearing 2 hats” currently which leaves limited time to attend the
Building Committee’s scheduled meetings. An attempt to have S. Dubicki attend one meeting
per month be made.
W. Gilpin spoke of his concern regarding comments from the First Selectman to the Chief of
Oswegatchie, Chris Pafias specifically stating “the drop dead date for ground breaking must be a
minimum of 2 years from now”. Atty. N. Kepple clarified the meaning of the comments were
addressing a revert date not that it would take 2 years for permitting, ete.
Atty. Kepple mentioned the Town would like to close on the property in January. B. Tuneski
asked W. Gilpin if he would check if Oswegatchie was prepared to close in January. W. Gilpin
stated it would require a meeting of the firehouse membership to go forward. Meetings are held
the second Monday of every month. A Special meeting is a possibility if needed.
R. Muckle requested an updated schedule from SPA.
T. Olynciw asked for an update on the Traffic Commission's decision on the traffic signal.
SPA's traffic engineer reached out locatly to have a conversation on keeping the light,
decommissioning the light or relocating the light. DOT was also contacted due to Boston Post
Rd, being a state road. No information has come forward as of yet.
Review and Approval of meeting minutes:
MOTION by R. Muckle, second by W. Gilpin to approve the 11/19/24 meeting minutes.
Amendments to the minutes: Remove attendance of M. Blankenship
T. Olynciw asked for an update on the Traffic Authority’s decision on the traffic signal.
SPA’s traffic engineer reached out locally to have a conversation on keeping the light,
decommissioning the light or relocating the light. DOT was also contacted due to Boston
Post Rd, being a state road. No information has come forward as of yet.
FOR: B. Tuneski, T. Olynciw, R. Bracciale, W. Gilpin, R. Muckle
ABSTAINED: P. Rafuse, G. Russo, M. Blankenship
MOTION by R. Bracciale, second by P. Rafuse to pay the Barton & Loguidice invoice
B. Banning presented 3 different energy options including initial install costs for each.
(Attachment 2). SPA, when asked, stated Design Concept 2 tends to be the most common
B, Tuneski asked which concept is the most cost effective taking into consideration energy and
maintenance costs. B. Banning stated the efficiencies are similar and operating costs depends on

the price of propane vs. electricity. Maintenance cost is highest with the boiler system and
lowest with all-electric. SPA will get additional information on relative cost of propane vs.
Concept | was discussed regarding the radiant heat in the bays and into the aprons. The aprons
would be a separate loop since these are for separate functions. If it is decided not to go with
Concept 1, electric radiant heat can still be installed in the aprons.
Solar panel use was discussed. B. Banning will provide costs for the committee.
MOTION by R. Muckle, second by T. Olynciw to carry forward Concepts 1 and 2 with
FOR: Unanimous
R. Bracciale stated the committee needs the cost of radiant heat in the apron that S. Smith should
be providing. B. Banning offered the power source for the aprons would be electricity.
B. Tuneski asked to defer the decision between Concept | and 2 until next meeting. D. Stein
indicated making a decision earlier than later would assist with the schedule. R. Muckle asked
whether it would be better to make the decision between | and 2 tonight. SPA’s opinion was
yes.
MOTION by R. Muckle, second by P. Rafuse to move forward with Concept | with the
B. Tuneski asked for a show of hands when voting.
T. Olynciw asked for clarification on the total initial install cost of Concept 1. $125,000,
for the radiant floor, would be added to the initial install.
OPPOSED: T. Olynciw, G. Russo
E. Cantar stated B. Phillips (Langan) asked if E. Cantar could run some points by the committee
on his behalf. A general update to go along with Civil and Site Development. Comments have
been received from the Town for SPA to incorporate into their submission package for
Conservation and Planning & Zoning. No real issues were identified. All comments will be
addressed. E, Cantar and B. Phillips met with a representative from Conservation and Planning
Zoning today. They were able to obtain a clearer submission timeline. Next Conservation
Committee meeting is scheduled for 1/9/25. Drawings would needs to be submitted by 1/7/25 to
SPA has until 1/7/25 to submit drawings and wetlands report to make the 1/9/25 agenda of the
Conservation Committee meeting. SPA is planning on the 1/7/25 submission. E. Cantar noted

by submitting to the Conservation Committee this does not prevent SPA from submitting to
Planning & Zoning which will occur the first week of February. This shows SPA being received
for their 2/11/25 meeting. The following P&Z meeting is scheduled for 2/25/25 and SPA’s
application will be under review and SPA will potentially be presenting at that time. If P&Z
cannot accommodate the presentation it would get pushed back to 3/11/25. The Design Review
Board also will need to review the submission. After submission there is a review period of up
to 65 days. Includes all updated civil drawings, elevations, floor plans and color renderings. B.
Tuneski requested this information be provided in a tabular form. E. Cantar will created this and
B. Phillips also asked about 2 sheds on the property. Should they be relocated or demolished.
They are reportedly in very bad shape and should be demolished.
T. Olynciw asked if there was curbing planned in the parking lot. E. Cantar indicated the plan
was for no curbing in order to help manage water flow toward the rear.
E, Cantar distributed a packet showing site, floor plan, interior and exterior finishes. (Attachment
3) B. Cantar presented different types of flooring: carpet, LVT (Luxury Vinyl Tiling), and
rubber. LVT would be used in the day room, the front entry, and the training room. Carpet
could be used is those rooms. The options decisions are the committee's to make. Carpet would
be used in the 2 offices, rubber flooring for the exercise room. The options for the Apparatus
Bay floors were to seal the concrete or cover with epoxy. Epoxy is slip resistant and the more
T. Olynciw asked for SPA’s opinion on structural vs pre-engineered building. D. Stein stated
pre-engineered would not work due to the limitations of the building site. D. Stein indicated the
building would be a conventional stick frame with cold form metal framing.
Plans call for normal overhead doors in the rear of the building and bi-fold doors in the front. D.
Stein stated the cost estimate for bi-fold doors is approximately $40,000.00 per door.
R, Muckle requested an updated schedule timeline be made available at the next scheduled
An estimate from Downes for where the cost range of the project is landing is being prepared by
B. Tuneski provided a copy of his summary to the RTM to add to the minutes.
W. Gilpin brought in Firehouse Magazine with an article of 2024 Award Winners of the design
of new fire departments. B. Tuneski asked that the article be forwarded to committee members.

Electrical
outlet
locations
on
the
schematics
need
to
be
determined.
P.
Rafuse
and
W.
Gilpin
A.
Danesh
will
provide
the
committee
with
an
estimate
of
the
cost
of
adding
onto
the
building
in
the
future.

rton,
&Joguidice
ic
MeasT
soGn
Town
of
Waterford
CT
December
06,2024
45
Rope
Ferry
Road
Project
No:
3261.053.001
Waterford,
CT
06385
Invoice
No:
10382
REED,
JEFFREY
25
197.93
49.48
ZESSIN,
MARK
25
210.91
52.73
Total
this
Phase
$3,521.40
APPROVED
VENDOR#.
MJ
POH FY.
OSEPO Y. N
SOUNT #

Project 3261.053.001 Boston Rd Phase | & Haz Material Survey Invoice 10392
Billing Backup Friday, December 6, 2024
Barton & Loguidice, LLC. Invoice 10392 Dated 12/6/2024 12:00:05 PM
Project 3261,053,001 Boston Rd Phase | & Haz Material Survey
Phase 3 Phase It Site Investigation
Hours Rate Amount
151 - DINGMAN, BRYCE 41/14/2026 50 197.93 98.97
Driller sub agreement
485 - McCARTHY, BRIAN 117472024 1.50 181.42 227.13
check for all vendor invoices per Davis email, budget review
140 - REED, JEFFREY 11/14/2024 28 197.93 49.48
Subinvoice review; BDD Call RE missing subagreement
120 - ZESSIN, MARK 1111372024 25 210.91 52.73
emails Brian McCarthy several, responses to Brian. Bryce and
JeffR.
Totals 2.60 428.31
Total Labor 428.31
‘AP 132894 11/16/2024 GROUND H20, LLC/ 3,093.09
Total Consultants 3,093.09 3,093.09
Total this Phase $3,521.40
Total this Project $3,521.40
Total this Report $3,521.40
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Oswegatchie FS opinion of probable cost
Design Concept 1; $ 741,775 (Plus radiant Slab Option)
+ Propane gas fired boiler with hot water piping to heating terminal units serving utility and
= Split System DOAS with hot water heating coil.
- _VRF heat pumps : Bunk Room, Training, Day Room, RR Exercise , Offices, SCBA and
Workroom
- Exhaust System for Service and Utility Rooms
- UL300A Residential Kitchen Hood
© Hot water Unit Heaters
© Exhaust air and OA intake with CO/NO2 controls
Design Concept 2; $613,675
= VRF heat pumps : Bunk Room, Training, Day Room, RR Exercise , Offices, SCBA and
- Exhaust System for Service and Utility Rooms
= Electric terminat heating units serving vestibule, corridor, utility and service rooms
-
Apparatus
Bay
2. Tailpipe exhaust system
Design Concept 3: $630,425
- Split Systern DOAS Heat Pump with electric heating
- _VRF heat pumps : Bunk Room, Training, Day Room, RR Exercise , Offices, SCBA and
Workroom
- _ Exhaust System for Service and Utility Rooms
- _UL300A Residential Kitchen Hood
Add cost of Tailpipe exhaust system
Operating etficiencies are similar and operating cost comparison will boil down to the price of
propane versus the price of electricity (potentially factoring in the solar PV input). Equipment
maintenance cost will be the highest with the boiler system and the lowest with all-electric.

Architect (Silver Petrucelli and Associates) hired and working
Project Manager (Downes Construction) hired and working
Phase 1-Environmental Survey Completed by Barton and Loguidice
Phase 2- Environmental Survey Completed by Barton and Loguidi
Schematic Design of Oswegatchie Fire Station Completed
mepoaogs
a. Current size of station is 10,161 sq.ft.(+/-), which includes a small (561 sq.ft.
b. The design includes 3 bunk rooms each sized for 3 firefighters, 3 bays for
apparatus, a workout room, IT closet, day room, training room, and kitchen
The Design Development phase is underway, and the Committee is currently
discussing and deciding upon MEP (Mechanical, Electrical and Plumbing) design
The Architect and Project Manager met with Department Heads and staff
{Planning and Development, Public Works, and Utilities Departments) on
November 12" to introduce current state of the site plan and initiate discussion.
No red flags identified
Completion of Construction Documents is targeted for May 1, 2025
Construction targeted for July, 2025-July 2026
Committee has spent $128,936.38 out of $645,971.00 allocated
The estimated hard cost of fire station construction is predicated upon prevailing
cost / sq. ft. building costs. Estimates have ranged from $650 to $1,000 / sq. ft.
Soft costs add an approximate 20% of base hard costs. Expected range of
construction costs- $7,900,000-$12,200,000
The ROM estimated cost to demolish the existing fire station upon completion of

FIRE TRUCK TURNING MOVEMENT
LANGAN

Fire Station Facility Programming
LIMINARY SPACE PROGRAM - NORMAL FLOOR eRGINEERS
inrentons
Decon Room _ tt decon, from app bay. gear extractor dryer, mop sink
Gear Washer & Dryer Room Inear decon room
Data / Server Closet / Telephone
Janitor Closet
Gear Locker Storage fi? Lockers
Pantry
Total ratus / Vehicle Stora; 5,102]and accessory spaces
RR/ Shower Rooms 2 97 194]non-gender/unisex
ADJUSTED PROGRAM +
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Room
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training
room
for
catering/
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shower
needed
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