Oswegatchie Fire Station Building Committee - Minutes - 02/18/2025

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             Oswegatchie Fire Station Building Committee Meeting

                              February 18, 2025



Meeting called to order at 6:30pm

Pledge of Allegiance

Members Present:  Robert Tuneski, Jennifer Bracciale Rocco Bracciale,  Wayne
Gilpin, Ted Olynciw, Richard Muckle, Paul Rafuse, Matthew  Blankenship,  Guy
Russo

Guests:   Michael Howley, Mike Smith, Eric Cantar, Dave Stein

Member of the public:  Chris Hayley

 • Public Comment:  None

 • Opening Remarks:  Item 7 B on the agenda will need to  be  postponed  due
   the Purchasing Agent needing more input from the one of the vendors.

 • Approval of meeting minutes:

      MOTION by G. Russo, second by W. Gilpin to accept the 2/4/2025 meeting
      minutes.

      T. Olynciw would like the comment by  M.  Howley  that  no  additional
      apparatus would be added to the fleet in the next 5-10 years be  added
      to the minutes.

      FOR:  B. Tuneski, W. Gilpin, G. Russo, P.  Rafuse,  R.  Bracciale,  J.
      Bracciale, T. Olynciw
      ABSTAIN:  M. Blankenship, R. Muckle

 • Approval of invoices:

      MOTION by G. Russo, second by R. Muckle to pay the Action Air  invoice
      for $1,815.82.00 based on the recommendation of the Director.
      FOR: Unanimous

      MOTION by G. Russo, second by R. Muckle to pay the Action Air  invoice
      for $1935.00 based on the Interim Director's recommendation.
      FOR:  Unanimous

      MOTION by T. Olynciw, second by J. Bracciale to pay  the  SPA  invoice
      for $60,689.20.

      R. Bracciale made a friendly amendment to accept  the  invoice  if  D.
      Stein confirms there  exists  an  over  billing  that  the  amount  be
      deducted from the current amount. Second by J. Bracciale.

      FOR:  J. Bracciale,  R.  Bracciale,  R.  Muckle,  M.  Blankenship,  P.
      Rafuse, W. Gilpin, G. Russo, T. Olynciw
      OPPOSED:  B. Tuneski

      MOTION by T. Olynciw, second by G. Russo to pay the Downes invoice  of
      $28,585.00.
      FOR:  Unanimous

 • Current Business:

   a. Third Bay Cost Update:
      Stein stated the design cost changes would call for separate  drawings
      which would be approximately $5,000-$8,000.  This would add 2-3  weeks
      to the current timeline.  If the design were to  change  further  down
      the road it would be more costly.

      S. Smith asked if this was an exercise to reduce the number of bays or
      to determine what the cost today compared to  the  cost  in  10  years
      would be.  B. Tuneski he was looking for  the  price  difference.   D.
      Stein stated if the third bay was added 5  years  from  now  the  cost
      would be 10% of whatever the construction cost is going to be.

      T. Olynciw believes the question asked by the RTM member was “how much
      is the third bay costing”.

      B. Tuneski believes the answer to the question in the context  it  was
      asked is how much is the third bay today versus how much is the  third
      bay 10 years from now.

      D. Stein stated the order of magnitude using the cost per square  foot
      only using the trade cost on the numbers, which could go  up  or  down
      20%.  As part of  the  current  estimate  the  third  bay  is  costing
      $650,000.00.  According to S. Smith there are additional fees such  as
      General  Contractor  fees  and  general   requirements   and   general
      conditions.  Years from now it would be a whole new project  including
      site work, etc.

      B. Tuneski would prefer to wait to get cost information from S.  Smith
      at the next scheduled meeting then the committee would draft a  letter
      to the RTM with all the information so the RTM will  have  it  in  the
      record.




   b. Discussion and Action on HazMat RFP:
      Postponed


   c. Design Development Update:
      D. Stein is waiting for permission to proceed  with  the  Construction
      Document Phase.  B. Tuneski indicated once the money came in  SPA  was
      approved to proceed.  An  updated  schedule  will  be  presented  next
      meeting.   Geo-Technical  Engineer,  Down  To  Earth,  LLC   Landscape
      Construction & Excavation has marked the site for the borings.

      B. Tuneski will obtain information from the Purchasing Agent regarding
      D. Stein's question of who to list on the insurance certificates.

      D. Stein should have a proposal  to  present  on  the  design  of  the
      traffic  signal  from  Langan  Engineering.   There  were   allowances
      established as part of SPA’s contract so the design piece should  fall
      within those allowances.

 • New Business:

   G. Russo asked P. Rafuse if there were CO  detectors  in  the  bays.   P.
   Rafuse  indicated  no.   D.  Stein  informed  the  committee  there   are
   ventilation eaters that take the air and filters it.

   M. Howley suggested giving  some  forethought  toward  allowing  for  the
   charging of electric pumpers in the  future.   D.  Stein  indicated  most
   likely it would require a secondary power source.

   P&Z is still in process.  E. Cantar stated the flow test  has  been  done
   and the flow is excellent.  E. Cantar and  B.  Langan  will  present  the
   project on either 2/25/25 or 3/11/25.  We are on schedule to go  to  mid-
   March as the schedule shows.

   S. Smith will bring an updated schedule to the next meeting.

   T. Olynciw requested a heading of “Old Business” be incorporated into the
   agenda.  T. Olynciw asked if there was an update  on  the  1%  fee  being
   waived.  There are no fees since it is a Town building.

   T Olynciw asked about the borings.  D. Stein had mentioned  earlier  that
   they are marked out.  Once the insurance certificate for the drillers  is
   settled then they can begin.

   T. Olynciw stated the Demo Checklist Application is something that  needs
   the  committee’s  attention.   D.  Stein  stated   the   Demo   Checklist
   Application is part of the building permit.  This checklist  is  part  of
   the RFP package and S. Smith will want to review the application and make
   sure whatever the contractor is responsible for is in the package.

   T. Olynciw asked about the difference between SPA & Downes' cost analysis
   numbers for  the  heated  floors.   He  indicated  there  is  a  $270,000
   difference.  SPA's  numbers  are  a  range  of  magnitude,  very  general
   numbers.  Therefore,  Downes’  estimate  will  prevail.   S.  Smith  will
   provide Downes' refined price for the heated floors at the next meeting.

   R. Bracciale asked what the procedure for bonding would be  and  what  is
   needed to do this.  According to  M.  Howley,  the  Finance  Director  is
   taking care of the bonding process.

 • The next meeting is March 4, 2025.

   MOTION by R. Muckle, second by J. Bracciale to adjourn.
   FOR:  Unanimous



Meeting adjourned at 7:39pm







Respectfully submitted by:
Linda Finnegan, Recording Secretary